ClueChick: real clues from a real chick

sapiophile: I'm confused about your aversion to men looking to pay for sex
cluechick: I don't think they're all doing it because they get off on it
cluechick: if it's a kink, it seems fine to me
sapiophile: I can't believe cluechick is criticising it for being objectifying. cluechick likes to be objectified :-)
cluechick: cluechick likes to be objectified personally and in the bedroom
sapiophile: I'm sure they aren't, but it wouldn't surprise me if most of the "no pro" ads were for the kink of it
cluechick: she finds it annoying when it's reflective of a systematic pattern that falls along gender lines
sapiophile: hmmm. I like to be objectified by MEN. it is definitely reflective of as systemic gender pattern
cluechick: if it's a kink, they should say it is (and some do, and those ones don't particularly bother me)
cluechick: systemic gender pattern for YOU
sapiophile: well, but reflective of a larger social pattern
cluechick: and probably not a healthy one
sapiophile: I have no doubt the origins of my kink lie within the patriachy
cluechick: thus, the peeve
cluechick: anyway, what the peeve REALLY is is people not being clear abou what they want. do you want to pay because it gets you off? fine. you want to pay because you're lazy? also fine, but not for CE
sapiophile: heh
sapiophile: yes, I agree, but I suspect most people don't have the insight to even see a difference in themselves
sapiophile: and it is a very fine line
cluechick: well, that's not really my problem :)
sapiophile: I mean, do you want to beat me because it is hot for you, or because you have a generalized desire to control women?
sapiophile: is that really a valid distinction?
sapiophile: if the former, post on CE; if the latter, post on Promisekeepers.org
cluechick: depends on the person, no?
cluechick: cc is ALWAYS in favor of self-knowledge
sapiophile: right, but I think many people who feel the desire aren't going to look deeper, and I don't think they *have* to. I mean, I like deep thinkiers but lots of valid CE posters aren't interested in that
cluechick: sure. just like people don't *have* to use apostrophes correctly in their ads
cluechick: when they don't, however, I will snark them, and I'm less likely to want to fuck them
cluechick: same goes for a guy who doesn't know himself
sapiophile: right, but those people you tell: improve your ads. not: post elsewhere!
cluechick: true
sapiophile: I think there's a qualitative difference between snarking ("god, what an idiot") and claiming something is inappropriate
sapiophile: so maybe you should post a "if you want to pay for sex because it is kinky, here are some tips"
sapiophile: or "how to tell if you are kinky or just lazy"
cluechick: well, I do think that looking to pay for sex on CE is inappropriate
sapiophile: while you are at it, post "how to tell if you are kinky or just an asshole"
cluechick: outside of the kink frame
sapiophile: I'm saying there IS no "outside the kink frame"
cluechick: how DO you tell if you're kinky or just an asshole?
sapiophile: I think it is an artificial deliniation
sapiophile: I don't know, that's why I was hoping you'd post on it
cluechick: *laugh*
sapiophile: Question of the Day: Dominant? Or Asshole?

Tune in another day for the Dominant or asshole discussion!